This beautiful valley of Jezreel/Megiddo will never see an end-time battle
Last site edit: July 18 2017
In defence of the sidelined God Jehovah, Creator of the Universe and Father of Humanity
Inherent sin or Survival Instinct?
When we are conceived we are a blank yet to be written upon slate, equipped with a zest for life and powerful survival mechanisms. Love of self and an underpinning selfish need to survive are as much a human trait as it is in all biology.
Survival in fact and in perceived self worth or status in the eyes of others, give rise to lies, deception and theft that have absolutely nothing whatever to do with an alleged indwelling sin supposedly inherited from Adam. Right from birth through early childhood and during our entire lives are these natural traits manifested to varying degrees, subject to learned modification.
No, Satan is not the father of an ability to lie*. He is the father of the greatest lying deception to ever impact the minds and destinies of humans: that God's clear and unambiguous statement:
After that God saw everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good. (Genesis 1:31)
was in fact a monstrous lie!
We ultimately become who we are and behave as we do entirely by what we have learned to become and do. No blame-game inherited sin crutches here.
Our love for self needs to be extended to see that others are also as self centred as we naturally are. This modifies the exclusive view of ourselves to make it more inclusive of others who are also in the process of modifying their selfishness. We first need to understand our own needs, desires, wants and wishes before we can effectively include others.
The need to do so was clearly enjoined upon Israel and Christians alike in the law and the words of Jesus to love others as they loved themselves. Yes, we can only love others when we understand our own needs, what it means to be loved and to love self before we can comply with any adjunct to also love others.
Mankind has no Sin, is not under sin, depravity and a death sentence!
Oh yes, we might all sin, but it is not reckoned as transgression and punishable by God.
For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law
- Romans 5:13.
That should blow the previous verse Romans 5:12, here from the NWT 1984 ed.:
8 But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more, therefore, since we have been declared righteous now by his blood, shall we be saved through him from wrath. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we became reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, now that we have become reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 10 For if when we were enemies we became reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more we will be saved by his life, now that we have become reconciled. 11 Not only that, but we are also rejoicing in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For sin was in the world before the Law, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the same way that Adam transgressed, who bears a resemblance to the one who was to come.
and here from Authorized King James Version which correctly uses the O. T. Atonement that can only rightfully apply to Israel as it did under their Law covenant.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. —– Romans 5:12-14
right out of the water!
How can generic man receive a death penalty when neither laws nor penalties were ever defined for them?
for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression.
- Romans 4:15
Only Law defines transgression and its consequences.
In 1 Timothy 1:9-10 Paul assures us that we have not inherited sin, depravity and a natural propensity to sin from Adam in these inspired inspiring words:
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
If all humans were sinners by default and thus not even one righteous person in all the earth, the above self-destructs and makes Paul, and the God who so inspired him, liars.
The law was not given to Israel because they were all sinners, along the lines of all the above.
It was given to them to define what not to do and what consequences awaited them if they did.
It did not apply to the righteous among them, because there were:
1. no penalties for righteous Israelites and
2. no unrighteous Israelites since they had never inherited unrighteousness in the first place as a bequest from Adam.
Only Israel were given the law of commandments mediated through Moses at Sinai.
Only Israel were therefore able to sin against or transgress it, for no one else had it. Got it? OK?
The Law unfortunately became an incentive or rather the power for sin, by defining it and its penalties, but especially by acquainting the Israelites with practices many may not have thought of by themselves nor wished to know anything about.
1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law NAS
Although it was meant to protect them from the bad practices of the surrounding nations, it also served as an incentive to do these very things themselves.
Hence Paul's despair in Romans 7:5 - 8:2.
Because the law had been done away with, having served its purpose as the tutor to lead Israel to their Messiah:
Galatians 3:24-25 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. NAS
all things now became lawful except for the laws imposed by governments and commonsense.
1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. NAS
All things are lawful for me; but not all things are advantageous. All things are lawful for me; but I will not let myself be brought under authority by anything. NWT
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify NAS
All things are lawful; but not all things are advantageous. All things are lawful; but not all things build up. 24 Let each one keep seeking, not his own [advantage], but that of the other person. NWT
Since God had never given any law to mankind by defining it for them to obey and reap the consequences for better or worse, humans can not transgress a law that does not exist.
That was easy wasn't it? Or was it?
Well, what happened in Genesis to lay that alleged foundation of universal sin?
– please see here for the case of the mythical also in Genesis 3:22
Did not the Apostle John say that we are liars if we say we have no sin? Who are the we here?
Everyone and his whatshisname scream: Context! Context!
So, what about Romans 5:12 surrounded as it is by 5:11 and 5:13?
For if, when we were enemies*, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. AV
* Enemies? Yeah, behold Isaiah 58 and 59 and the rest of the Old Testament.
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For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. AV
But to repeat:
Adam's descendants were thus not under inherited sin and a heap of guilt only death could annul. No Law - No Sin Paul said in Romans 4:15. Since only Israel had law to define sin and the attendant penalties, only Israel could sin and be accountable to God.
How did all this inherited universal sin and depravity come about?
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