This beautiful valley of Jezreel/Megiddo will never see an end-time battle
Last site edit: June 12 2017
In defence of the sidelined God Jehovah, Creator of the Universe and Father of Humanity
The word and idea of Saviour dominates
Christian Church Services and Prayers worldwide.
This begs the question: Who was to be saved from what by whom and what means?
Please allow the Savior to first of all identify Himself out of His own mouth here in Isaiah 43:11:
I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour. ASV 1901
I, I am Jehovah, And besides me there is no saviour. NOYES 1869
That is the bottom definitive line and founding principle of Salvation.
But what about verses that identify Jesus as the saviour? -have a confusing browse here.
For those who have adopted the Trinity of Roman Mythology it is not a confusing problem. They simply meld the payer and the payment in to one confusing and, may I say, confused entity.
Questions that arise:
Who is the Redeemer/Ransomer
Who or What is the redemption price/ransom - the currency?
Who receives the payment?
The short answer is off-course the religious Christian Guilt Industry
who had been profiting for some 1600+ years.
Trinitarians make it easy: God came down and died to go back up again. Really?
But to repeat from the Salvation page:
The confusing scenario the Trinity and their tainted bible verses generate:
Who or what was/is Jesus?
Messiah? King? High Priest? Mediator? Testator? God? Sacrificial Lamb? Father? Son?
If he was High Priest and Sacrifice, did the High Priest kill himself? Did God commit suicide? Was the Lamb a High Priest? Did the Lamb kill the High Priest? Was the Lamb the Testator? Did the Testator have to die? If the Mediator is dead who mediates now? If the sacrificial Lamb Jesus died, who is in heaven now? If one of them died, is there still a Trinity? Was the Lamb resurrected? Has the ransom therefore been returned to the Ransomer? If the Lamb was God and the Lamb has not been resurrected, is God dead? If God was resurrected, who resurrected Him? Is the Father His own son or the Son his own Father? Are they both the father of the holy spirit?
One could add: Was there a sheep in heaven that came down? Is there an Only-Begotten-Sheep? Did Mary in fact give birth to a sheep?* Did a sheep go back up to heaven? Why? Are there other sheep in heaven? What do sheep do up there? Grassing on the naughty ones?
* I always thought that Mary had a little lamb was a tale for children told by fairies,
but this would be going a little too far.
The biblical answer, however, has it that no one actually receives a payment.
It's just a restoration process.
The ransoming, redeeming process simply restores what was lost to the one who lost it.
What was lost then?
The whole flock of sheep Israel.
Who lost them and how?
Lost to God Jehovah for their disobedience to Him and destined for destruction according to their Law, which in effect held them to ransom. They were lost to the initial purpose God had for them as the means to restore the original opportunity accorded Adam, Eve and their future progeny in Eden, key of which was indefinite life in parallel with their yielding to His requirements exclusively for their benefit.
The saviour being Jehovah (name) God (title and office), and father (progenitor Creator) of the only-begotten son of John 3:16 whom He used as the saving means, payment or ransom in order to restore the world (government, decoration)* of Israel to its assigned purpose, principally as God's firstborn son Israel who was/were to inherit everything.
* Strong's 2889 - principal definitions:
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars,
' the heavenly hosts ', as the ornament of the heavens.
Interesting how the adulterous Christian (anointed) Bride of Christ has shoved aside the power of a father's firstborn son and the beauty and adornment that wives are to their husbands, by trivializing the meaning of the word to just the stars of heaven, while Israel were nonetheless to be like a milky way garland of the heavens and decoration of God.
In a hostage situation where a child has been abducted and a ransom demanded by the abductors, two conditions have to be met for the child to be returned to its parents:
1. A ransomer, saviour or saving source who furnishes the value of that which saves:
2. The ransom, as the saving means to satisfy the abductor's demands and actually saves.
After breaking a secular road Law, one can said to be held to ransom by the lawgiving entity until a payment of the redemption price or ransom has been made to cover the imposed fine. After many offences and paid fines later, an accumulation of demerit points will finally result in a loss of license.
Jehovah's firstborn son Israel had accrued a raft of debt to their Law issuing authority: Jehovah, which required satisfaction.
‘He paid with his life.’ is a common enough phrase used in connection with an execution of one who had committed a grievous murder of other crime deserving death.
Israel also paid with their collective lives in the person of the sheep Jesus:
5 But he was wounded for our* transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Jehovah hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, yet when he was afflicted he opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. Isaiah 53:5-7
* Please click here for the personal plural pronouns essay.
During the time period between the son of man Jesus' execution 3½ years after becoming the Christ/Messiah or anointed one to provide salvation for Israel, and their Great Tribulation beginning 66-70 CE, the Episteliers were still waiting for their Savior.
Why? Hadn’t he already saved them when he died for them?
Were they awaiting to be saved from that Great Tribulation soon to come upon their Nation and the destruction of Jerusalem, the Temple and their way of life?
Perhaps they were, even as they were encouraged to pray incessantly.
But none of that had anything to do with being miraculously plucked out of the cauldron of Jerusalem as the Romans came in 70 CE, for then it was too late. Jesus had clearly told his disciples what to do as recorded by Matthew, Mark and Luke. All they needed to do was to follow his instructions.
How then can we understand these inspired words of Paul in Philippians 2:20?
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior,
the Lord Jesus Christ; NAS
My goodness what was wrong? Did Paul have a bad day, got all mixed up?
Had the saviour not been, done the saving and gone?
Now just to get the feel of Paul's understanding of these matters here is Hebrews 9:28:
so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many*, shall appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. NAS
* The many here are of course only those of the little flock: Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. -Luke 12:32 and not those millions of the many of whatever doctrinal flavour listening and accepting their alleged salvation via whoever they imagine their saviour to be.
Who were they? Many found sheep from out of the lost sheep of the now forgiven nation of Israel generally known as Jews at that time in history. Yes, the very ones the only begotten son of Jehovah had come for:
But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel Matthew 15:24 asv.
Thus Paul could, nay had to say in Romans 15:8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers, - asv
Considering that they were but a relative few making up that little flock called out of the whole flock of Jacob, later complemented with those from other nations* to complete the chosen number of those specially called to heavenly Mount Zion for governance, Jesus could rightly just say many, as reported in Matthew 20:28:
Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.”. . . NWT
* John 1:11: He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. asv - See also Romans chapter 11:1-26
This Saviour enigma has been further complicated by God Himself first of all, but easily understood in the light of the pre-enactment of Christ's sacrifice: Abraham's offering up Isaac, also a God-initiative to aid understanding, since all things written afore time have been for those upon whom the end of the Israel-in-the-flesh-epoch has come upon.
Who was the saviour there? Both Jehovah God first of all, since He provided the sheep and, would you believe, also the essential sheep, without which Abraham's only-begotten son Isaac would have died.
In the fulfillment, the reality of the Abraham shadow Jehovah laid His only begotten son's life on the line for the seed of Abraham Israel. As a substitute he provided the sheep Jesus son of generic man Mary to not only die in place of the only-begotten of God who was actually offered to save God's firstborn son Israel, but also to simultaneously undergo execution as the adulterous wife of God.
Looks complicated, but very simple to understand. But that is what Faith is really all about!
5 Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight. . NWT
Adam did not have that trusting Faith in God. Neither did His firstborn son Israel.
God's only-begotten did, even as Isaac completely trusted Abraham allowing himself to be tied to the sacrificial altar, and so did Jesus the sheep:
7 He was oppressed, yet when he was afflicted he opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who among them considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due? 9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:7-10 asv
God offered His only-begotten son for His firstborn son Israel - willingly requested of Himself.
Abraham offered his only begotten son willingly at God's request.
The sheep and son of man Jesus provided by God substituted for that only-begotten of God.
The sheep caught in the thicket provided by God substituted for Abraham's only-begotten.
In the OT type Abraham, his only-begotten son Isaac and Abraham's willing spirit never became joined as one to form a trinity.
Neither is there a trinity in the fulfilment.
Never mind about the sheep in either scenario not even getting a hoof in the door.
The upshot of all that is that the Seed of Abraham of the promise Israel was saved in both instances to complete their temporary assignment to heavenly governance to become an eternal blessing to mankind:
16 and said, By myself have I sworn, saith Jehovah, because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, 17 that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Genesis 22:16-18 asv
May all you reading this be forever among those blessed!