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In defence of the sidelined God Jehovah, Creator of the Universe and Father of Humanity

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Whose Prayer was it?

Not a question of authorship.  

John recalled it under inspiration and wrote about it in his gospel.

Who prayed it and when?

For the background of the answers you may wish to search the NT at your heart's delight, likely in vain, for it was edited to be profoundly out of sync with the OT.

The people I used to associate with in belief and practice what they had taught me in my original biblical innocence, have removed all OT types and antitypes that conflict with their doctrinal mindset.

Foremost of these is the Abraham–Isaac–Sheep drama as a type of the pinnacle of all antitypes: Jehovah/Yahweh – His only begotten son Michael – and  the sheep Jesus.

They published their abandonment of this dramatic type and its fulfilling antitype in Letters from Readers in the March 2015 Watchtower.

For supporting evidence of its validity, you may wish to access relevant pages & sub-pages on this website via the above menu.

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Please find John 17 farther down the page from the New Heart English Bible simply because it avoids Trinitarian capitals.  Please note my adjacent commentary column.

You will need to read it perhaps more than once from any of your personal Bibles and note the many chronological aberrations.

I mean, here the Christ is praying in the presence of his disciples about having formerly associated with them.  Totally weird!   But oh, so true.


Yes!  As the last verse of chapter 16 and the first of 18 clearly shows, Jehovah's only or solely-begotten angelic son was right there in the company of Jesus' disciples when he offered this prayer.

But he was not Jesus.  The last Adam Jesus, man and ‘lamb’ (John 1:29), especially created by Jehovah from outside Adam's human family to be a sacrifice, remains dead forever, because he had died to save God's only-begotten heavenly son actually offered for the world of Israel (John 3:16).  

It was that only begotten who came down from his heavenly realm to encourage Jesus' disciples, as he had on many previous occasions and specifically to lead Israel out of Egypt the first time and on into their promised land.

Please engage with this entire page, as well as this one.


John was inspired to report on matters yet future the other three Gospellers were not privy to; note that he recorded his gospel & epistles near the end of the 1st Century.

Under inspiration, John oscillated between

1. His time with the last Adam and lamb of God Jesus  

2. His time with God's restored only begotten whose company he enjoyed for some forty days along with Jesus' other disciples and many new ones . . . and  

3. His experiences during the early decades of Israel's Great Tribulation.


The resulting amalgam of Jesus' words with those of the freed only-begotten makes for fascinating reading and a greater understanding of the manner in which Jehovah implemented His inimitable purpose — link.


Jehovah's only begotten son had already been rewarded with full sonship as the forerunner, the first one of many in Jehovah's divine family of Gods, when Paul was blinded by a vision of that son's glory.   But that was decades after he had ascended into the most holy of his father's presence in heaven to present the blood of the sacrificed Lamb Jesus and become the first true, of the same divine kind son of Jehovah.

It was John's privilege to record many of the disciples' experiences and interactions with the now restored only-begotten angelic son of God during the 40 days between Jesus' sacrificial death and the ascension of Jehovah's only-begotten son.  

Please remember that he was still angelic at that time, because the reward of his elevation to divine son of God kind had to wait until he delivered the value of Jesus' blood to Jehovah's heavenly Most Holy in his temporary role as the final High Priest inherited from Jesus.


Here see and learn from John 17, contextually framed by the last verse of the previous chapter and the first of the next — from the NHEB without trinitarian capitals:













































































I truly wish that I have made a positive contribution to the lives of the many desiring to understand their Creator and His purpose.   Atheists may need to wait a little longer.

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33  I have told you these things, that in me you may have peace. In the world you have oppression; but cheer up! I have overcome the world."

1 ¶  Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you;

2  even as you gave him authority over all flesh, he will give eternal life to all whom you have given him.

3  This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

4  I glorified you on the earth. I have accomplished the work which you have given me to do.

5  Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.

6 ¶  I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.

7  Now they have known that all things whatever you have given me are from you,

8  for the words which you have given me I have given to them, and they received them, and knew for sure that I came forth from you, and they have believed that you sent me.

9  I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

10  All things that are mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.

11 ¶  I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.

12  While I was with them, I kept them in your name which you have given me; I have kept. None of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

13  But now I come to you, and I say these things in the world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.

14  I have given them your word. The world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15  I pray not that you would take them from the world, but that you would keep them from the evil one.

16  They are not of the world even as I am not of the world.

17 ¶  Sanctify them in the truth. Your word is truth.

18  As you sent me into the world, even so I have sent them into the world.

19  For their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

20 ¶  Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who believe in me through their word,

21  that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.

22  The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one;

23  I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.

24 ¶  Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.

25  Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.

26  I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them."

1 ¶  When Jesus had spoken these words, he went out with his disciples over the brook Kidron, where there was a garden, into which he and his disciples entered.


Note:

The Greek word rendered world in John 17 is Strong's 2889
It has two principal, key definitions, notwithstanding all the doctrinal spin it has ben subjected to by translators and commentators:

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution,
    order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment,

Strong's 2889 almost always refers to Israel as Jehovah's unintended temporary means to have a heavenly family of His own kind drawn from the human race made in His image and, by extension, the entire universe, the purpose of which also connects to Jehovah's longing for a family of His own kind.

Not creating God here in my own image, for I was made in His image and likeness along with zillions now and forever.

Not sure if I can do justice to the words of the king's prayer and the circumstances of its delivery, but here goes:

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Israel in the flesh was the kingdom of God right from their first Exodus out of Egypt.  When the Israelites demanded to have a king like other neighbourhood tribes, God told them that He had been their king all along.

That Kingdom has continued after their 2nd Egyptian Exodus in Jesus, represented here in messianic Israel by the core group of the little flock still in the flesh destined to be the kingdom of the 1000 years, but now ruled by their final king on David's throne: God's only-begotten angelic son Michael who had inherited that anointing from the anointed man Jesus.

Glory was never the possession of God's only begotten angelic son. Michael —–– link.  

That had to wait until that only begotten angel had delivered the value of Jesus' life blood to the heavenly Most Holy personal presence of his Father Jehovah.

It was then and only then that the angelic only-begotten became the first true son of his father Jehovah: the very beginning of His divine family of Gods.

It is only in this sense that John 3:16 and the apostle Paul speak of God's only-begotten son having been offered, while reporting it after the fact.

Had the proxy sheep Jesus failed in his mission to substitute for the only-begotten angelic chief messenger son Michael, the very first of God's true sons of the God kind would never have existed and in this manner actually, not just virtually killed in sacrifice for the sins of Israel, as offered and at a most profound loss and hurt to the Father Jehovah.

In the mean time, we are privileged to get a glimpse behind the chronological curtain of the only-begotten's interaction with Jesus' disciples after he had come down from his heavenly realm soon after the man Jesus had given his life for them in sacrifice.

Faith in the redemption of Israel through their Messiah Jesus, allowed Jesus' disciples to no longer be a part of the world of the unrepentant blatant sinner Israel on death row ever since their first destruction by Babylon.

As the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) they are now free to continue to run with the Abrahamic promises.

They are the only creatures ever to be given everlasting life.

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That prayer was uttered by Michael during the chronological interval of some 40 days between Jesus' sacrificial death and the now freed only-begotten son's ascension, during which he encouraged Jesus' disciples.

Did they know he was not Jesus or did Michael play-act that role?

OT prophecy and prefigurements, their time with Jesus and the holy spirit finger of God plus their 40 days with Michael, would have eminently sufficed to acquaint the disciples with the reality and role of the personages in the events they experienced, to render pretence and play-acting into useless charades unbecoming to the Creator of the universe and author of truth.

Neither is He the author of the confusion that has reigned supreme in the world of apostate Christianity for now over 1800 years.  


Please see the purpose page.