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The Great Crowd of Revelation 7 who, what and whereto?

First a brief introductory summary:

The great crowd out of all nations and tribes and peoples which no man was able to number* from Revelation 7:9 are those of anointed Israel still on earth at the commencement of the Kingdom's birth.  They cannot be numbered because no one, not even God, can tell who will remain faithful to the end and how many will die before in order to rest a little while longer to join those who will be changed in the twinkling of an eye for them altogether at the same time rising to meet their Lord in the ‘air’ at the beginning of their 1000-year rule as the Kingdom of the Heavens.

* does not mean too numerous to count.  It is just a metaphor to express an unknown quantity like sand and stars.  Did Jehovah lie when He promised Israel impossible-to-achieve star- or sand-like numbers?

No!  Because He did not know how many would come out of Jacob's loins and, even more importantly, how many would finally qualify to become part of that little flock of 144000 to be given the Kingdom by their God and Father Jehovah. -Luke 12:32


One can almost feel the anxious struggle of translators as they tried to come to grips with the ambiguities that arise from trying to match text with doctrine.

Some Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses to be exact, hold that the Kingdom was established in 1914.  Not true!

That false 1914  Kingdom establishment doctrine automatically infers that those of Jesus' brothers already dead have been resurrected and that those remaining on earth in responsible positions in that JW denomination already have a measure of authority to rule over a congregation that has somehow and inexplicably expanded beyond the authorized number revealed in Revelation 7:4 and 14:1.  Likewise untrue.

Between the key sentences:

Revelation 6:11:  they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been  

1 Corinthians 15:51-52: dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed;
     
(yes those of the anointed dead raised and those still alive at the same time)

and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17:  . . .and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together* with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air .

* Or, “at the same time.”  NWT footnote

there is definitely no resurrection by instalments meant here or anywhere for those called to heavenly governance.  In fact, Jesus' Prophecy about the greatest tribulation ever to befall Israel both in duration and intensity, indicated what was to occur at its end:

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. (Matthew 24:29-31)

Yes, gather his chosen ones who have been destined for heavenly governance right from the initial promises Jehovah made to Abraham.  They shall all be gathered at once, those already dead and those still left on earth at the time and impossible to number, but comprising a great crowd* who had also washed their robes in the lamb's blood, as did those that went before, to furnish a guarantee or right of passage for all the anointed little flock of 144000 to attain to kingship and priesthood in the heavenly city Jerusalem  -Revelation 7:9-17; 22:14.

* in the context of 1st century global population sizes of around 200 million,
   a few thousand gathered in one place are indeed a Great Crowd.


I have provided the foregoing simply to encourage my former friends to pay a little more attention to the Scriptures themselves. As this verse suggest:

 . . .But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, even as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.. . . (Romans 3:4).

That Judgement is solely with reference to those who came out of forgiven Israel at Pentecost 33 CE, to become the multi-ethnic, multi-gender Israel Paul spoke of in Galatians 3:28-29, who will find their permanent place on heavenly MT Zion.

The following passages of Scripture ALL deal exclusively with the 144000 anointed for heavenly governance and do not identify two separate classes with different destinies.

Revelation 6:9-11; 7:4-8; 9-17; 14:1-4;  Hebrews 12:22-23 -the firstborn here being that of Exodus 4:22: Israel;

Why all this detail?  

Because it takes a lot of detail to make a mess, it will likewise take a measure of the same to sanitize it.

OK, so the Great Crowd are of the anointed, but what about the other sheep of John 10:16? Clicking on that foregoing verse will take you to the other sheep discussion page.


In the meantime, we will continue to focus on:

Identifying the Great Crowd of Revelation 7:9

First the incredible historical parallel:

John 12:12-14  The next day the great crowd* that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem.  13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, "Hosanna!" "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!*" "Blessed is the King of Israel!"  14 Jesus found a young donkey# and sat upon it, as it is written, .  NIV

* for the details see the other three gospels.

* no he did not come in his own name, the people are quoting Psalm 118:26: Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD! NKJV  or better still: Blessed be he that cometh in the name of Jehovah: ASV

So here was the one rightfully anointed to become king, entering the royal city to present himself to Israel.

Take a snapshot of that with your mind and carry it forward to:

Revelation 7:9  After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd*, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.

* Just as when Jesus rode into town some 2000 years earlier, we see a large group of people unknown size holding palm branches.

On both occasions we have a large group of people of unknown size holding palm branches  

In the first century the much larger crowd of Israel under the Mosaic Law were in their graves when that great crowd still living under the guidance of the law welcomed Christ Jesus as he rode into town.  Still ahead of us is when the Christ rides into the heavenly town, the greater portion of the chosen little flock will likewise be still in their graves at the imminence of Kingdom's birth:

Revelation 6:9:  When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw at the foot of the altar the souls of those whose lives had been sacrificed because of the word of God and of the testimony which they had given.  

Why the delay?  Why does it have to take almost 2 millennia for the Christ to attain to the power and glory of the kingdom?

Firstly, because Jesus was unable to take up the position of King, though eminently qualified by descent through Mary and legally via Joseph, because a death had to occur first for the Old Testament to be validated so that another could inherit and a new testament inaugurated.

Israel, on death-row, had yet to be redeemed to qualify for the reminder of their intended role. They had to die IN JESUS, who had become Israel throughout their entire journey IN HIM from out of Egypt to his execution.

Since a life was thus given in place of another, that life could never be taken back for Israel to remain redeemed and viable to continue to run with the promises.  This made a resurrection of Jesus absolutely impossible both scripturally and in the reality of the very nature of sacrifices, which are generally eaten or otherwise disposed of.  Jesus had to go the way of all sacrifices –a terminal episode.

The only begotten son of God (not son of man) had to be restored to viability by a sheep (son of man) in the manner of Isaac, who, bound, tied to the altar and as good as dead, had to await developments beyond his control.  

Did Jesus not say to his Jewish audience that they had to drink his blood and eat his flesh to have their lives saved?  -John 6:48-59.  

That's what food does.  It saves the life of the eater until the next meal.  Jesus acknowledged the life-saving properties of food when he said that man must not live on bread alone, but also by listening to and doing all that God requires and wishes.

Funny thing about that is the impossibility of complying with the latter without the former as a necessary prerequisite.  We just cannot obey God unless we first eat to keep alive, because:

The dead praise not Jehovah, Neither any that go down into silence. Psalm 115:17  ASV.

The atonement sacrifices under the Law were a meal Israel collectively ate and shared with God in celebration of having their transgressions against their Law annulled by Him and their lives saved yet again for another year.

Israel's ultimate and final Atonement sacrifice of Jesus the sheep, however, was the one-off mother of all celebrations:

Hebrews 10:14-17  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified*.  15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,  16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,"  17 then He adds, "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."

* separated to God for special assignment.

Given that audience relevance plays a key role and that Paul is quoting here from Jeremiah, to whom then did Jehovah express His will through Jeremiah?

Here via 31:33:  But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people:  34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

Really?  Well, yes, after first almost shouting at Israel courtesy of Isaiah 1:18  Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evil–doers, children that deal corruptly! they have forsaken Jehovah, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are estranged and gone backward.

He pleaded with them yet again as He had done many times before:

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Secondly because Jehovah's wrath/anger against his firstborn son Israel had to run His pre-determined course to the end of their great tribulation when the Christ gathers his saints and commences his 1000-year Kingdom  –Matthew 24:29-31.

What in heaven and earth is the problem with that?  It is all so simple.  

God's wrath and anger with His treasured inheritance, the flock of Jacob, is still very much alive and well.  In Revelation, which is all about Israel anyway and NOT mankind, He spells out the details of their final demise in the flesh and the ultimate realization of His original purpose for them to be that nation of Kings and Priests He covenanted with them at Sinai (Exodus 19:3-8), which was kept alive by Jesus ‘covering’ for their sins in Atonement  ‑Ezekiel 16:63; Galatians 4:4-5; Hebrews 9:15; 1 Peter 2:9.

Jesus was the second Passover lamb to save Jehovah's firstborn son Israel (Exodus 4:22) from complete destruction one more time.  The method identical except for the sheep sourced from another species.

Yes, our Passover in  1Co 5:7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us  KJV

Ah, OK, but who is the our here?  Its called Audience Relevance.

Don't all you Christians out there in the land of make-believe, or coerced belief, read yourselves into these texts of the Epistles, because you Do Not Belong There, neither do they apply to you.  They are only addressed to the little flock of Luke 12:32 given the Kingdom.  You will therefore all need to read every Epistle more carefully in future to take note of ALL the Plural Personal Pronouns to establish the identity and destiny of those the Apostles actually wrote to. Same with the Prophets.  Isaiah 53 is only and exclusively about Israel, the audience Jehovah addressed through Isaiah.

Ever so besotted in an almost paranoid obsession with the salvation of their own rather inconsequential lives, have those who have jumped on the Christian Bandwagon for more than 1800 years been reading themselves into these verses that have nothing whatever to do with them.  From Exodus to Revelation is the Bible all about preparing a Government to oversee the restoration of the Edenic opportunities for every human being past, present and future

Perhaps I ought to use the King James, the version most familiar to Bible Students as it was to Bro Russell.  Though its translators had been fairly consistent in their choice of English words to match the Greek originals, it is beholden to a measure of doctrine editing along with ALL the others, where even manuscripts had been conscripted to serve the Roman Trinity just enough to influence all doctrines relating to Jesus and God's only begotten son.

I mean, why are many of the more significant manuscripts not extant prior to the fourth Century, when massive amounts of secular documents from earlier civilizations have an abundant presence from as far back as Babylon and beyond?  The availability of a veritable cornucopia of very much older Roman and Greek documents must raise suspicions regarding the influence of the early apostate Christian seed of Abraham as she compromised and melded with the Caesars of her day in adulterous wedlock, while continuing to imbibe the wine of her fornication in this time of her end.

In spite of many well intentioned revivals and regenerations as she spawned a plethora of like-minded daughters, her sins are legion and the hangover of her profound intoxication now embedded in Bible translation and doctrine.  

Just watch the drunken apostate harlot ride her secular beast lovers to her own destruction ‑Revelation 17 & 18.

This has also left an indelible mark on Unitarian doctrine.  i.e.: in the Trinitarian belief system, the son needed to come down from heaven to die for humanity and then go back up again to maintain the inviolability of the Trinity.  Unitarians teach virtually the same thing with Jesus still having to come down to go back up.

What then is the difference between their salvation theologies?  Minuscule indeed!

The above digression is particularly about Revelation 22:14 in the contextual relevance to this discussion, where those privileged to become part of the heavenly Kingdom Admin needing to wash their robes as a prerequisite to entering the heavenly city of Jerusalem and becoming the kingdom of the thousand years, whereas the King James and quite a few other translations read do his commandments rather than wash their robes.  This plays a significant role in the identification, origin, role and destiny of the Great Crowd (NWT) or multitude (KJV)  or company (Russell).

Here from the New International Version and the Catholic Douay Rheims Versions:

Revelation 22:14:  "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.  NIV

Revelation 22:14: Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city.  Douay Rheims

The following 20 translations feature wash their robes in that verse:

asv 1901,  bbe,  darby 1888,  douay rheims 1899,  erv 1852,  esv,  gwv,  hscb, message, nas,  niv, nlt,  noyes 1869,  nrsv,  nwt,  philips,  rotherham 1902,  rvsv, weymouth 1912, williams 1936

The NKJV, however, reads: Rev 22:14  Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. as does the King James on which it is based, as well as another dozen or so translations featured on the OLB app.

Finally here from a 4th—5th Century treatment of Revelation in Jerome's time, on which the Douay is based I believe, via the current version of the Vulgate:

14 beati qui lavant stolas suas ut sit potestas eorum in ligno vitae et portis intrent in civitatem
Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Sourced from: http://vulgate.org/nt/epistle/revelation_22.htm  

One needs to understand that God intended the Law, associated commandments and regulations to be just a temporary tutor to guide Israel through childhood, training their minds and hearts to maturity.

Jehovah having sold them into the slavery of the Law (Galatians 4:24-25), they needed to be repurchased through Christ Jesus, who had come to free them. Their impudent disobedience and transgressions compounded matters so that their continuing position in Jehovah's purpose had become untenable and their execution inevitable.

The penal system of the Law having served its purpose was permanently terminated by God never to be re-imposed upon any people.  In view of this,  the phrase do his commandments in Revelation 22:14 of the KJV and other translations is entirely unscriptural and out of sync with Jehovah's will.

An essential prerequisite to identifying the Great Crowd is the context of events leading up to their appearance in Revelation 7:9.

It begins with the opening of the first seal which presents the fulfilment of Psalm 110:1-4 where the heavenly Christ the Lord is enthroned by his LORD Jehovah to rule amid his enemies* in preparation for the yet future birth of his 1000 year Kingdom.

* not his friends, most of whom are still dead with the remainder continuing in the flesh.

Then follow a series of dreadful events: war, famine and death at an unprecedented scale via seals 2-4 that lead us to the appearance of the Great Crowd at the opening of seal 5 where we see the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and the witness work they used to have, cry out to God: How long will you refrain from judging those who killed us and continue to do so?:

Revelation 6:9-11: 9 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw at the foot of the altar the souls of those whose lives had been sacrificed because of the word of God and of the testimony which they had given.  10 And now in loud voices they cried out, saying, "How long, O Sovereign Lord, the holy One and the true, dost Thou delay judgment and the taking of vengeance upon the inhabitants of the earth for our blood?"  11 And there was given to each of them a long white robe, and they were bidden to wait patiently for a short time longer, until the full number* of their fellow bondservants should also complete—namely of their brethren who were soon to be killed* just as they had been.

* of the predestined size of the little flock to be given the kingdom by Jesus' father Jehovah –Luke 12:32.

* not necessarily executed, but dying every which way including natural attrition - i.e.: Strong's Definitions: to allow to perish, to extinguish, abolish etc.

Seals 1-4 having set the scene for unprecedented earth-wide upheaval in all areas of human endeavour amid keen anticipation in the hearts and minds of the saints still in their graves, allegorically expressed by the cry ‘What about us?’ at the opening of the 5th seal, human society, and those of the flock of Jacob in whose hands He had originally entrusted them, are about to undergo a systemic quake-like meltdown at the opening of the 6th seal, as old orders collapse amid great turmoil and the globalisation of killing fields.

The vistas of the  6th seal commence with an encouraging overview of the saint's entire kingdom, literal numerically and as promised to Abraham. Isaac and Jacob, the fathers of Israel.

The action then pauses but for a moment when the four Angels bar the four winds from sweeping the old administration away at the birth of the Kingdom to allow the final sealing of the 144000 to complete, all in a context of a continuing Great Tribulation upon Israel.

As the 6th seal opens ever wider, those of the saints still alive in the flesh come into focus as they welcome their approaching king on the last leg of his journey to his glorious throne:

9 After these things I saw, and lo, a great crowd, which no one could number, out of every nation and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palm branches in their hands.  10 And they cry with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb.  Revelation 7:9-10  DARBY 1884

What are they up to and where are they meant to go?

Revelation 7:14-17:  14 These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple, and he that sits upon the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.  16 They shall not hunger any more, neither shall they thirst any more, nor shall the sun at all fall on them, nor any burning heat;  17 because the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall shepherd them, and shall lead them to fountains of waters of life, and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.  DARBY  1884


OK, we have already examined the great crowd clue in the foregoing comparison with those welcoming the Christ when he rode into Jerusalem in the first century and established that they are those saints still in the flesh welcoming Christ their King on the last leg of his journey to his glorious throne.  For the meaning of the  white robes  as a key identifier of the saints, please click this link

There has always been only ever one Christian congregation, scattered though they might be across the globe, symbolised by the seven churches of Revelation chapters 2 and 3 where the complete personality, experiences and faith of the whole earth-wide congregation can be discerned:

Revelation 1:4  John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

By the time John wrote Revelation, some of these churches/assemblies/congregations probably no longer existed, considering the impact of the Great Tribulation upon Israel and everything Jewish including the infant Christian congregation, who had the central focus of their faith and structure taken away from them at Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE.

The entire congregation of christs i.e. individual anointed ones of the little flock making up the Bride of Christ all dressed in white, will finally enter the heavenly city they collectively are, the very moment they are gathered from the grave and from those still alive to become that city  -get the message?  

All shall wear white garments/robes because that is the only identifier that allows them to enter the city they become as they enter it.

It just so happens in the chronological stream of events, that some of the chosen saints will still be alive in the flesh at the time of the call of their gathering - Matthew 24:29-31:  

29  Immediately after the tribulations of those days, shall the sun be darkeneth: and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall move.  30  And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven. And then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great majesty:  31  And he shall send his angels with the great voice of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, and from the one end of the world to the other. Tyndale (Rogers, Coverdale) 1535

Just as those saints gone before were given a white robe at the opening of the 5th seal, along with a kind word for them to be patient just a little while longer until those still alive, continuing to wash theirs into an acceptable whiteness, can join them as they together and at the same time meet their lord in the air when he comes to take them home to himself, as promised, to be the Kingdom for the 1000 years.

17  For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.  16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.  17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together* with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.  1 Thessalonians 4:15-17  NKJV
* or at the same time

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed––  52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.   1 Corinthians 15:51-52  NKJV

Again here the plural personal pronouns are absolutely essential to establish identity of those in the focus of Paul's epistles.

It behoves all students of the Bible seeking an accurate understanding of  God's purpose, to first read the introductory verses of every epistle to determine who were the target audience of the apostles; not humanity in general, but just a small segment thereof destined to be of profound benefit to all.

Another clue in the identification of the Great Crowd is Salvation.   But rather than deal with it here, please go to where I have already subjected it to a fairly thorough scriptural examination with special emphasis on Israel, by clicking here , or on this page with reference to mankind in general.

The next clue in line is the Great Crowd's exit from out of the Great Tribulation.  Identify it either by clicking here or use the above menu buttons Armageddon and Judgment Day.


Finally a repeat of my introductory summary that identifies the Great Crowd of Revelation 7:

The great crowd out of all nations and tribes and peoples which no man was able to number* from Revelation 7:9 are those of anointed Israel still on earth at the commencement of the Kingdom's birth.  They cannot be numbered because no one, not even God, can tell who will remain faithful to the end and how many will die before in order to rest a little while longer to join those who will be changed in the twinkling of an eye for them altogether at the same time rising to meet their Lord in the ‘air’ at the beginning of their 1000-year rule as the Kingdom of the Heavens.

* does not mean too numerous to count.  It is just a metaphor to express an unknown quantity like sand and stars.  Did Jehovah lie when He promised Israel impossible-to-achieve star- or sand-like numbers?

No!  Because He did not know how many would come out of Jacob's loins and, even more importantly, who would finally qualify.


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